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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 20:20:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Integral consciousness matters.  What&#039;s probably more important to me is to have a smart, articulate president, and Obama, Clinton, and Edwards all have those qualities.  The reason for voting for Obama is that he is black, as well as smart and articulate, and what a wonderful, water-shed moment in American history THAT would bring!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Integral consciousness matters.  What&#8217;s probably more important to me is to have a smart, articulate president, and Obama, Clinton, and Edwards all have those qualities.  The reason for voting for Obama is that he is black, as well as smart and articulate, and what a wonderful, water-shed moment in American history THAT would bring!</p>
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		<title>By: ~C4Chaos</title>
		<link>http://www.c4chaos.com/2008/01/is-obama-really-that-fluffy/comment-page-1/#comment-668</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 16:05:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hey Tom,

good to see you chiming in on this.

&lt;b&gt;you said: &quot;Obama is definitely operating from a &#039;higher plain&#039; in the politicosphere. This is his background and the spirit of his life, what we know of it.&quot;&lt;/b&gt;

you may be right. and judging by Obamas rhetorics, he seem to operate from a post-partisan politics. but the proof will be in the pudding. so i will withhold my judgment until we see him in action as President (should he win the election). but my other point is:  is the Obama post-partisan politics the kind of politics we need at this current state of U.S. politics? the Daily Kos article i linked to argues that it&#039;s not -- &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/12/28/205631/80/760/427407&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;it&#039;s food fight that we need at this time&lt;/a&gt;.

and here&#039;s another argument: people flock to Obama looking for a transformative leadership. but this Open Left article put it very succinctly, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.openleft.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=3458&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Transformative Leadership: It&#039;s NOT the Charisma, Stupid!&lt;/a&gt;

and finally, my other point is this: &lt;a href=&quot;http://coolmel.typepad.com/iblog/2008/01/ignore-the-rhet.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Ignore the rhetoric and follow the money&lt;/a&gt; :)

~C


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hey Tom,</p>
<p>good to see you chiming in on this.</p>
<p><b>you said: &#8220;Obama is definitely operating from a &#8216;higher plain&#8217; in the politicosphere. This is his background and the spirit of his life, what we know of it.&#8221;</b></p>
<p>you may be right. and judging by Obamas rhetorics, he seem to operate from a post-partisan politics. but the proof will be in the pudding. so i will withhold my judgment until we see him in action as President (should he win the election). but my other point is:  is the Obama post-partisan politics the kind of politics we need at this current state of U.S. politics? the Daily Kos article i linked to argues that it&#8217;s not &#8212; <a href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/12/28/205631/80/760/427407" rel="nofollow">it&#8217;s food fight that we need at this time</a>.</p>
<p>and here&#8217;s another argument: people flock to Obama looking for a transformative leadership. but this Open Left article put it very succinctly, <a href="http://www.openleft.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=3458" rel="nofollow">Transformative Leadership: It&#8217;s NOT the Charisma, Stupid!</a></p>
<p>and finally, my other point is this: <a href="http://coolmel.typepad.com/iblog/2008/01/ignore-the-rhet.html" rel="nofollow">Ignore the rhetoric and follow the money</a> <img src='http://www.c4chaos.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>~C</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 15:37:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To begin, policies aren&#039;t isolates, they come in swarms.  And policies shouldn&#039;t be impositions they should be solutions.

So, as you seem to come to agree, analyses of policy positions is not the end-all.  The reasoning and spirit that promotes policies is vital at getting things done in the first place and in getting things done that are meant to aid the whole of the nation and not just part of plot where one segment tries to rip off another segment.

Obama isn&#039;t another Howard Dean, bless him.  Dean caught fire first for his willingness to blast Bush.  While Obama is not a wimpy pacifist [not that there is anything wrong with wimpy pacifists, mind you, except that they would be eaten alive in NFL politics.], his impulse is not to launch &#039;first strike&#039; attacks against opponents, but to search for the truth of things.

Obama is definitely operating from a &#039;higher plain&#039; in the politicosphere.  This is his background and the spirit of his life, what we know of it.

The guy&#039;s fluffy as hell.  I have no doubt that he feels others&#039; pain.  But unlike the Clintons whose extreme ambition often results in &#039;feeling others&#039; pain&#039; as performance art, Obama is always authentic.

I&#039;m not nearly expert enough in matters Integral to measure the integro-harmonics in every Obama pronouncement, but his openness -- even to the point of saying something about Reagan without his guard up to prevent what he said from being intentionally misconstrued -- is evidence of spiritual maturity, in my humble estimation.

Obama is not a poseur, he is fluffomatized down to his marrow.

Yes we can ... believe it.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To begin, policies aren&#8217;t isolates, they come in swarms.  And policies shouldn&#8217;t be impositions they should be solutions.</p>
<p>So, as you seem to come to agree, analyses of policy positions is not the end-all.  The reasoning and spirit that promotes policies is vital at getting things done in the first place and in getting things done that are meant to aid the whole of the nation and not just part of plot where one segment tries to rip off another segment.</p>
<p>Obama isn&#8217;t another Howard Dean, bless him.  Dean caught fire first for his willingness to blast Bush.  While Obama is not a wimpy pacifist [not that there is anything wrong with wimpy pacifists, mind you, except that they would be eaten alive in NFL politics.], his impulse is not to launch &#8216;first strike&#8217; attacks against opponents, but to search for the truth of things.</p>
<p>Obama is definitely operating from a &#8216;higher plain&#8217; in the politicosphere.  This is his background and the spirit of his life, what we know of it.</p>
<p>The guy&#8217;s fluffy as hell.  I have no doubt that he feels others&#8217; pain.  But unlike the Clintons whose extreme ambition often results in &#8216;feeling others&#8217; pain&#8217; as performance art, Obama is always authentic.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not nearly expert enough in matters Integral to measure the integro-harmonics in every Obama pronouncement, but his openness &#8212; even to the point of saying something about Reagan without his guard up to prevent what he said from being intentionally misconstrued &#8212; is evidence of spiritual maturity, in my humble estimation.</p>
<p>Obama is not a poseur, he is fluffomatized down to his marrow.</p>
<p>Yes we can &#8230; believe it.</p>
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